This is documentation of a conversation with Hilde Heynen, professor of architectural theory at KU Leuven and Olga Micińska, held at Marwan on Sunday, March 10, '19. The conversation departed from Prof. Heynen's text 'Shaving horses and other stories of the home', accompanying the exhibition The Shaving Horse, by Olga Micińska (on view at Marwan till March, 17, '19.)